Prendo in prestito dalla bacheca di Barry O’Connell questa interessante discussione con Jack Williams
Afshar – Re: Salor-Ersari-Seljuk. I have a lot of unorganized research on Afshar use of Armanian-like crosses in their rugs. This is consistant for Afshar groups isolated from each other for 400 years and 800 miles of desert. The Afshar are a Turk tribe that accompanied the Seljuks in their second wave miagration into Anatolia and the Caucasus. I speculate the common appearance of crosses dates from their proximity to the Armanians prior to the Afshar diaspora. The Afshar core and basic symbol however is the stepped cross polygon … often with “flames,” which is possibly Budhist origin, making that symbol one of the oldest in Turk rug design. Of note, Jerry Anderson avowed a relationship between the Afshar and the Ersari in the 1970s.
Not disagreeing with you. Let me throw out some thoughts that I have been putting together for years.
Afshar are found in Turkey, North of Bijar, Kerman, Khorasan, and east of Shiraz which ties into the Kerman Afshar.
As for the T…urkey based Afshar, I assume that they either predate the Afshar or came in the 19th century from the Caucasus. I tend to think they are pre-Safavid.
As for the Persian Afshar I think Reid wrote that they were a troublesome tribe that attempted a revolt in either the reign of Shah Tahmasp or Abbas the Great. I think it was Abbas who put some in Khorasan in the north east of Ghoochan as a buttress against the Turkmen.
I believe that a significant body of Afshar was in the Georgia, Lori Pambak, and Erivan area until the Russians moved in from 1805 to when Erivan fell in 1828. I think Shekli Kazak rugs were Afshar.
I think Afshar area people who speak a dialect called Afshar and guys like Steve Price who think Afshar can be Kurds or the reverse are missing the point. I also believe that many people who are Afshar in the linguistic sense would never identify themselves as Afshar.
So I will reread your post over night and see how it squares with what I think and what I know. I am realistic enough to realize hat knowing and thinking are not he same thing.
Thanks for the post.
The split along the Turk-sunni, Azer-shia was pretty complete. Salim the grim pretty much killed every shia turk on the Turk side of the line. The Afshar were almost completely Shia… and the Shia-turks of Afghanistan today are all called “Afshar.”giovedì alle 5.16
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